我中毒了

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   By Hz on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 11:15 pm:  Edit

首先想問清楚 馬錢=山橙?

   By Hz on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 11:33 pm:  Edit

唔係講笑我,希望盡快有回應,因為我拾了個山橙回家,都未想切開,可能在把玩時掉了落地,令我拾起時沾了些汁液又整了落口,隔了不知幾多個小時,覺得舌尾有苦的感覺,同時有頭暈,但可頂得著的,自己感覺未嚴重到要去ER。如過真係中了毒(少量)我應該點做?

   By p_q on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 9:42 am:  Edit

山橙雖有毒, 但其果可入藥,治腸胃痛.
既然你仲可以上網, 應該都冇乜事.

   By 黃6 on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 4:42 pm:  Edit

唔好死頂,真係中毒就去求醫.
你死唔死得你自己最清楚,我地玩網點會比倒真意見?
若你食左馬錢子你早已死左,係另一個世界上網.
山橙係有毒,但亦係有藥用.
我知道曾有某些人直接食用,但依然在生.仲話中意食,千萬不要學!!!!!!
祝你好運!

   By Hz on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 8:22 pm:  Edit

第三日,今日黃昏同現在共發作兩次,但都較輕微,會先覺得舌尾苦,接著時頭暈,我想,過多兩天再唔得,就去睇醫生。謝謝 謝謝各位。那麼,這裡的戶外大夫是假的嗎?

   By Outdoor Doctor (Doctor) on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 9:30 pm:  Edit

You might be affected by certain toxin. But I am not sure whether your symptoms are really caused by the toxin in 山橙 (Melodinus suaveolens). If it is, the effect should decrease gradually especially after 3 days. You'd better see a doctor if symptoms worsen in coming two days.

蚓垛型生物鹼 is the toxin in Melodinus suaveolens.

蚓垛型生物鹼,主要存在於長春花屬(Catharanthus G. Don)、狗牙花屬(Eruatamia A.DC.Stapf)、山橙屬Melodinus J. R. et G. Forst.)、斷腸花屬(Bea-umontia Wall,)中,這類生物鹼按化學結構又可分蚓垛型和雙蚓垛型兩類,多具細胞毒性,後者毒性出前者大,一部分雙蚓跺生物鹼有較強的抗癌作用。
This information is abstracted from:
http://www.contest.edu.tw/87/endshow/3/kk/apoc/default.htm

   By 6黃 on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 - 9:37 pm:  Edit

西醫同中醫對"有毒"的見解未必相同.
查查草藥的書,都未有說山橙的"毒"可以致命,但任何事都要視具體實況而言.你有不適,為何要等,要估估下?
山橙的白色汁液很大黏性,整個山橙果都有這汁液.你食了少許咁多反應,而我聽聞有人直接食了也完全正常(萬勿去試!)可見不能一概而論.你有疑問,都係求醫為上.中、西醫也好,起馬唔駛日後唔安樂,而且點知有無手尾?
仲有,唔好再亂食野勒!

   By pooh on Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 1:44 pm:  Edit

馬錢並不是山橙, 馬錢的果實小過山橙, 卻毒過山橙好多.

你可以上這個網看看它們的樣子.

http://home.chkpcc.net/~leafvein/Flower_page.htm

   By Hz on Sunday, February 01, 2004 - 12:41 am:  Edit

謝謝您,這個網很有用,我對野果特別留意,遇有合時機會,會邊行邊搵食,成隻猴子般,而最愛的是山稔了,花又靚,有得睇有得食。但在那網看不到山橙的外觀,那個是切開了的。話說回來,八天了,今天以免無頭暈,只是舌頭還有少許苦的感覺,相信過多兩天會無事吧了。

   By Outdoor Doctor (Doctor) on Sunday, February 01, 2004 - 1:24 am:  Edit

Good to hear that your dizziness has gone away. The bitter sensation should also go away soon. Beware the juice of 山橙 next time!

   By 人乍 淺 自 己 on Sunday, February 01, 2004 - 10:07 pm:  Edit

唔客氣咁講,你都好白痴!
山橙就係一個橙咁大或大小小,好重手.
馬錢細細個只得個年桔咁上下大,熟透了根本唔係橙色,係深啡色.無可能將咁大分別的混淆!
你唔清唔楚又不改亂吃的行為,你都係要多多上黎搵大夫求救了.
哈..

   By Hz on Monday, February 02, 2004 - 12:14 am:  Edit

係呀真係好白痴,我明白山橙就係一個橙咁大或大小小,好重手,我知到自己拾到的那個應是山橙,但放了成個星期個果都好硬。但馬錢我無見過亦不認識,所以問問各位前輩,以確定自己的情況。唔該貼圖可以嗎?馬錢未熟同熟了的外觀。謝謝

   By on Monday, February 02, 2004 - 1:59 pm:  Edit

果實成熟時為橙色, 未成熟時為綠色

http://www.hknature.net/chi/ecodiary/diary_30c.html

from www.hknature.net 生態日記

   By BearBear on Monday, February 02, 2004 - 4:09 pm:  Edit

原來這就是馬錢呀.
我記得較早前行南丫島, 上陰山時見過類似這種的植物
我以為係普通植物, 又幾靚咁. 所以用手摸過, 好彩無採到..

   By Hz on Monday, February 02, 2004 - 9:54 pm:  Edit

唔該 平 前輩,我個山橙切開了,落刀時有白色汁液流出,原來內裡像番石榴,好多核,果肉就在果皮處,氣味像榨蘋果汁的味道,有想吃下的感覺.....,個橙在某山路旁拾的。yourpicyourpicyourpic

   By whoo on Tuesday, February 03, 2004 - 4:12 pm:  Edit

你吃的是山橙, 放心好啦.

   By Strychnos on Tuesday, February 03, 2004 - 9:55 pm:  Edit

朋友,又係我呢個唔客氣的回應!
你遇到山桔、山橘、牛眼馬錢、繖花馬錢你會食邊樣?
樣樣都黃黃地色,你點分別?試試D味?唔係下話?!
仲有有時山橙又有細個D,另外尖山橙亦比山橙細,咁又是否同馬錢混為一談?
方法不正確,事倍卻功零!而且亂攪毒物,有極壞的示範作用.

   By Hz on Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - 12:39 am:  Edit

我行山不多,在香港我經常見到的是上圖那種山橙,多謝你的指點,傾下計有乜話唔客氣。我以後行山,只食山稔同油柑子外,其他都不碰了,但我想能親眼見下斷腸草(睇得電視多)。

   By 長舌 on Thursday, February 05, 2004 - 12:09 am:  Edit

行山的人愛講植物,但他們講的是圈內的一套,跟事實出入可以很大.
有人教小朋友食癲茹
有人見到馬錢子話係山桔,教人摘黎食
有一次一位行山好勁的女行友向人介紹漫山遍野的大頭茶為珍貴的葛亮洪茶(大苞山茶)
點解?........
你想睇斷腸草?其實鬼咁常見.
D葉特別易認.現時花期已過,但其果更易認!!
自從見有人竟採摘斷腸草的葉帶返家(不只一次),以後都不再在山人向人指出哪便是斷腸草,以免生禍!

   By Hz on Thursday, February 05, 2004 - 11:50 pm:  Edit

明白!!斷腸草只在網上見過開花時的狀況,平時見到都唔知係,所以有想見的念頭。其實識認得到的朋友,是否應見一棵,殺一棵?其他毒果都較易辨認,無咁易中招。

   By 長舌 on Friday, February 06, 2004 - 10:25 pm:  Edit

哈,成班人係大夫呢板Off Topic太耐.係收口時候.
最後,切勿亂清除植物,節外生枝.


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