有無人曾/正在軍隊服役?

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   By 丁屎 on Tuesday, June 26, 2007 - 9:58 am:  Edit

小芬,我們不是國防部,更不是士官訓練中心,沒辦法查到哪位新兵是第幾梯;至於懇親日嘛,相信你的男朋友會在適當的時候主動告訴你。

   By Question1 (66.146.143.213) on Wednesday, February 09, 2005 - 8:16 pm:  Edit

有無人曾/正在軍隊服役? 有些問題想問問!

Thx!

   By 曼托菲爾上將 (202.71.238.175) on Sunday, February 13, 2005 - 7:40 am:  Edit

1944年12月第三帝國西方軍B集團軍第五機甲軍司令官

   By 斯羅.亞瑪達 (218.252.216.173) on Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - 11:51 pm:  Edit

UC0079年地球聯邦軍極東機動戰士大隊第08MS小隊隊長

   By Question1 (66.146.149.225) on Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - 10:12 am:  Edit

認真ka! please!

   By hkmsc (24.128.150.77) on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 10:53 am:  Edit

曾是英籍華兵,想問什麼?

   By Rusty (203.80.97.246) on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 11:53 am:  Edit

請問服役甚麼時期?

   By hkmsc (24.128.150.77) on Monday, February 28, 2005 - 10:50 pm:  Edit

閣下究竟想知什麼?

   By Question1 (66.146.156.80) on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 1:25 pm:  Edit

我正在加拿大某後備炮兵團服役,階級系Bombardier(equivalent to Corporal)
請問你是在邊個單位服過役,我應怎樣address你?


Thanks!

   By 101空降師 (218.103.159.94) on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 3:00 pm:  Edit

1944年美軍101空降師506傘兵團E連

   By Rusty (203.80.97.130) on Tuesday, March 01, 2005 - 4:53 pm:  Edit

各位兄台,他認真地去問,請別胡亂地答吧!
101空降師不是1944年的! 該師成師時美軍連登陸北非都未開始!
既然你是華藉英兵,何不以此自居,大方地說出所屬部隊?!

   By question1 (66.146.149.141) on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 12:25 am:  Edit

Brother Rusty! may be he don't have time to go online jak!

   By hkmsc (24.128.150.77) on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 2:14 am:  Edit

誰人是101空降師不是問題,大家都有發言自由.
HKMSC才是英藉華兵,已退役十多年,現客居加拿大,最後,question1你想問什麼?

   By Question1 (66.146.149.141) on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 4:11 am:  Edit

How was your PT training????

   By hkmsc (24.128.150.77) on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 2:05 am:  Edit

Question1兄,你是否怕辛苦,如是者,做童子軍好了.

   By Question1 (66.146.149.152) on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 11:01 pm:  Edit

Excuse me! 閣下從什麼地方見得我怕辛苦????
我只不過是想Compare o下!

我o地...
full marching order 13km forced march (within 2hrXXmin)
50 push up/sit up
at least 7 chin up

For my basic jump course ...
7-10km run every day (at least twice)

   By Question1 (66.146.149.152) on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 11:06 pm:  Edit

P.s.
我想Compare o下其他軍隊訓練(included PT)

   By hkmsc (24.128.150.77) on Sunday, March 06, 2005 - 11:29 am:  Edit

比較這些,有何意義?
你所做的沒有什麼大不了,誰強誰弱,最終都是攪政治者的卒.

?? 我想你是從香港移民來的吧??

   By Question1 (66.146.143.80) on Monday, March 07, 2005 - 12:27 pm:  Edit

Yes!

   By Question1 (66.146.143.80) on Monday, March 07, 2005 - 12:43 pm:  Edit

你所做的沒有什麼大不了,誰強誰弱,最終都是攪政治者的卒???

我參軍的reasons大至有3個:
1. 有前途,"鐵rice bowl",
2. 榮譽感 - 能人所不能,
3. 我尚武 - 偶工作_entertainment!

我最終目的是become commission officer!

   By Queston1 (66.146.143.80) on Monday, March 07, 2005 - 12:52 pm:  Edit

對regular force來講我o地是微不足道!
我只想Compare o下其他軍隊訓練,
不如請介紹o下當年訓練又是怎樣!

   By hkmsc (24.128.150.77) on Monday, March 07, 2005 - 11:53 pm:  Edit

軍隊并不需要超人,要的是死於安心的人,所以我們當年的訓練很隨便,尚武精神主要是出外打架,皇氣在身,警察也動不了,何等榮譽,薪資低微,只能到處找著數.
在先進的國家,當兵并不是好職業,拿它的助學金讀多點書吧,玩世無妨,但少心美國的炸彈.

   By Question1 (66.146.149.82) on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 12:37 pm:  Edit

尚武 - 簡單地說,我是崇尚軍事(武器科技,戰術謀略...) not爛jai交! in fact, 我非常蔑視those輕易yuke手果D人!只有低等動物才淨系識用暴力去解決問題


薪資低微...
yes i agree even 最近政府打算加我o地6.5%...
淨系靠軍隊分job生活真系屎都無dam食...
我真系好好彩,我不是家庭經濟支柱,就算無o左軍隊分job都ng洗憂!

我好怕死
however 如可選擇的話,
我寧願戰死也好過cancer死!


現在通街都系U grad.
當過兵分resume會"好"DD!


如我的死可以agitate中國政府(人)去憎恨美國政府,
加速"超英趕美"的步伐,被美國"誤炸"死我都覺得值得
:-)

anyway, 多謝指教!

   By hkmsc (24.128.150.77) on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 1:57 am:  Edit

年青人,從事實看本質,戰爭就是用暴力解決問題的不文明行為,死得最多的是與問題無關的人,軍隊的存在就是為了戰爭,發動戰爭者與街頭打架和黑社會爭地盤的分別在於叫什麼口號和所謂地區合法性而已,歷史告訴我們,一將功成萬骨,殺人和被殺都是在冷血地進行,戰場的榮譽只是政治意識教育.生命何價,病死是神要回你的生命,戰死是人要了你的命.
U grad不是求學目的,小圈子文化更不是人類進化的終極,讀書求明理,科技也有和平用途的一面.是嗎?
交談至此,應告一段落,三拾年後再見吧,到時閣下定有一番見地.

   By 丁屎 (218.103.127.195) on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 2:32 pm:  Edit

中華民國陸軍獨立第351裝甲旅反裝甲連中尉輔導長,96年退役。
看見現在很多喜歡玩戰爭遊戲的青少年,都是為貪威風有型,或是滿足開槍殺戮的快感;大概只有少數是有心自我磨練,更完全談不上武德的精神素質。

   By Question1 (66.146.150.238) on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 7:24 pm:  Edit

絕大部分因貪威風有型而參軍的人在頭一,兩天的訓練日已經想申請退役回家(RTU),這是事實,我服役已經3年有多,我見過不少這類人!


Sir! 可否介紹下成功領的訓練?

   By 丁屎 (218.103.127.195) on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 2:42 pm:  Edit

成功嶺是台中縣烏日鄉的一個陸軍基地,從前亦曾用作國防部與教育部合辦的大專學生寒暑短期集訓的營地(正是大部份香港人認識成功嶺的原因),然而數前(忘了哪一年)開始,大專集訓已經停辦。
從前的大專集訓一年兩梯次(暑假及寒假),每一梯次稱為一班(並非部隊編制中15人的班),由將級師長軍官出任「班主任」。集訓從最初的兩個月,到後來的六星期,內容是體能訓練、教授基本的軍人禮儀、射擊訓練、刺刀術、基礎單兵戰鬥技巧和行軍實習。大專學生完成集訓,日後可憑證抵消兩個月的正式兵役。
成功嶺為陸軍第一師之駐地,此外,還有兩項任務:新兵訓練基地及幹部訓練班中心。前者為中部地區的新兵提供下部隊(分發正式服役單位)前的訓練,役男按登記戶籍地,分別於北、中、南三大新訓中心受訓;後者為幹訓中心,詳細也不清楚,大概包括兩個幹訓班,分別是專業志願指識軍/士官班及大專預官(預備軍官)訓練班。因為我在台灣讀書時的戶籍在家父一位住台北的友人名下,屬北部的訓練系統,所以兩者分別有哪些專科班隊,我是不太清楚。
未知是否已解答兄台的疑問?

   By Question1 (66.146.151.23) on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 5:38 pm:  Edit

lieutenant,
請問你們的體能訓練是怎樣?

你們是不是象我們一樣要全軍通曉所有現役的步兵武器? 不論是那一個trade (例如炮兵,裝甲兵...)

關于訓練期的生活,那些reveille後要在 3 min 內完成刷牙洗面,換上制服...是否真有其事?

另外請問你們怎樣訓練軍人work under stress???

thx for your time!

   By 丁屎 (218.103.127.195) on Friday, March 11, 2005 - 12:17 pm:  Edit

我相信除了特殊單位有特別要求外,各地的軍訓應該都差不多吧。

前面說的成功嶺大專生集訓目的只是讓準大學生提前體驗部隊生活及接受磨練,與正式的新兵訓練是不一樣的,要求較低。

根據我的記憶,真正服役時的新兵訓練,在體能訓練方面,要達到以下的要求才能合格:
1.俯地挺身:兩分鐘內不少於52下
2.仰臥起坐:一分鐘內不少於35下
3.引體上升:一分鐘內不少於12下
4.交互蹲跳:一分鐘內不少於30下
5.三千公尺徒手跑:不慢於12分鐘
6.五千公尺徒手跑:不慢於23分鐘
7.全副武裝五百公尺障礙:不慢於5分鐘
至於現在有沒有什麼改變,我也不清楚。

另一方面,對於早上內務要求:
1.起床後2分鐘整理床舖,包括摺方塊被子和蚊帳,而枕頭和被子的位置和距離均要按規定方在床上,床單要平順,士四角保持直角,然後下床立正待命。
2.在2分鐘內完成刷牙洗面,及把毛巾、牙刷、牙膏及洗面盆按規定位置和角度放好,然後立正待命。
3.在2分鐘內按照班長要求的著裝穿好制服和裝備,在連集合場集合待命。
4.在15分鐘內完成分配的崗位清潔打掃營區,然後回連集合場集合待命。
5.做早操
6.在3分鐘內回營舍取個人食具,然後回連集合場集合待命。
7.步操往餐廳,於門前列隊待命。
8.按規定隊形步操進餐廳,在先己座位前立正待命。
9.依命令坐下(屁股只可坐三分之二面積,正坐雙手平放大腿上並雙眼正視對座同袍眼睛。),等待開動命令。
10.長官下開動命令,齊聲回應然後開始進食。用餐不可有明顯聲音,包括談話、餐具碰撞聲。
11.15分鐘用餐後,按來時列隊步操回營舍,並3分鐘內各自清洗個人食具,放回原處,然後回連集合場集合待命。

以上為早上大概的內務流程,然後開始一天的生活。

如你所說,官兵除了各自的專科外,亦要學習其他兵器,當然駕駛戰車或飛機一類專門技能則例外,我想這是為了應付萬一在戰場上出現的狀況。

至於怎樣訓練官兵在壓力下工作,其實沒有什麼專門課程,因為營裡生活本身就是一種壓力,從早上醒來到晚上睡覺,官兵都在各式各樣的奇怪規定下生活;軍中一句名言:「一個命令,一個動作;合理的要求是訓練,不合理的要求是磨練;別人能,你也能!」

我想大概就是如此,希望能夠解答你的提問吧。當然,在下因幸運當軍官,生活就不用那麼「操」,我的其中一項工作是扮演好人(一般武官是充當魔鬼壞蛋,而我們文官通常比較仁慈),以作平衡,否則官兵自殺事件數目便會大幅上升。軍中另一句名言:「鐵的紀律,愛的教育」正是如此。

   By Question1 (66.146.157.40) on Friday, March 11, 2005 - 3:43 pm:  Edit

我們的新兵訓練和你們的有所不同...

早上4:45起床,起床後15min內完成刷牙,洗面,shaving,換上體育服裝後到Prarde Square集合等待instructors的出現,
之後進行體能訓練.

體能訓練內容多數是長跑(from 5-10km),push-up,sit-up...之類的訓練,但不時會加入一些"新菜色".
有時也會有全負重的急行軍(6-13km) , 但多數是下午或夜晚進行!

完成體能訓練後25min內完成淋浴,換上戰斗服,到Prarde Square集合,再步操到餐廳吃早餐.
吃早餐的時間大約是15-25min之間, 早餐後列隊步操回Barrack, 在20-25min內打掃房間,走廊...
整理床舖. 個人衣櫥內的衣服及每件物品必須按標準放置好,把webbing, 頭盔, 步槍(field strip後)按標準放在床上.
然後在床邊立正,等待instructors進行inspection. Inspection非常嚴緊, 身上的戰斗服,Beret不可有一條線頭
或塵粒,靴要polish似鏡,靴邊不可有泥痕... 就連ceiling的電風扇扇葉,燈罩等也是在inspection內.

inspection後大約到8:00, 一天的訓練開始.

三餐基本上都是在飯堂(餐廳)進行, 飯堂通常是由民間的contractor管理,但也有由後勤部隊管理.
雖然吃飯時我們可以自由談話, 也可以邊吃邊看那放置在飯堂四角ceiling的大電視播放著CTV新聞,
食物種類也很多很好, 但我們當然沒有時間去"enjoy": 我們用早餐的時間大約是15-25min之間,
午餐大約是10-15min, 晚餐大約是15-25min, 注意, 這些時間包括了排隊等待進入飯堂scan card, 排隊輪
後食物的時間, 所以實際就座進食的時間為1/3 - 2/3 ( 飯堂要供數個course, 基地的人員同時進食.)
我們不需清洗食具, 只要把食具放在特定的rack上就可離開,

   By 丁屎 (218.103.127.195) on Friday, March 11, 2005 - 4:07 pm:  Edit

其實訓練內容大同小異,只是一些具體安排有別而已。有些要求看來可能不設實際,甚至近於無理,然而那對磨練一個人的能耐和適應力十分重要,甚至日後在社會中待人做事仍非常受用。不知兄台是否認同?

   By Question1 (66.146.157.40) on Friday, March 11, 2005 - 4:20 pm:  Edit

我們的體能訓練要求應和你們差不多,但每年新兵訓練的體能訓練強度要求就好象不是一樣.你們的急行軍是怎樣的?

在訓練中instructors會使你不斷的感覺壓力,例如他/她們會幾乎任何時候粗話不離口,總是講一些很難聽的說話(不是人身攻擊的).請問你們的又是怎樣?

此外,我想知道你們有沒有類似我們有5天每天只睡2小時的"高強度訓練"???

   By Question1 (66.146.157.40) on Friday, March 11, 2005 - 4:33 pm:  Edit

正如中尉你所說,一個命令,一個動作,合理的要求是訓練, 不合理的要求是磨練,別人能,你也能... 我非常(x2)同意!
軍隊的生活有"有理的",有"無理的",正如在真實作戰中的境遇一樣!

正如"hkmsc"所說: "怕辛苦,如是者,做童子軍好了!"

thx for your time once again!

   By 丁屎 (218.103.127.195) on Friday, March 11, 2005 - 5:20 pm:  Edit

正如兄台所言,部隊生活事事迫切,加上長官就是要找你麻煩(我是受歡迎的角色,很少幹這勾當^^),花樣天天換新,受不了而出錯的人不在少數,往往因此而出錯,換來處罰;輕則要完成各項「任務」或全副武裝做各項動作,重則取消休假或關禁閉等。

p.s. 我只下過一次牙刷洗廁所的命令,因為那次實在太氣憤了。

   By 丁屎 (218.103.127.195) on Friday, March 11, 2005 - 5:38 pm:  Edit

國軍所謂的高強求訓練,我想大概是「精誠連訓練周」。一連七天的野外集訓,不斷地操練、行軍和各式各樣體能戰技項目,每天一至兩小時的休息,最後一天還要上講習課,那些沉悶的講題,一方面是要消耗你的精神,另一方面又會抽人回應分享,就是要使人不能偷偷睡覺。在軍中,但凡叫「精誠」的任務或行動,都不是好東西。

   By 丁屎 (218.103.127.195) on Friday, March 11, 2005 - 5:59 pm:  Edit

關於「精誠連訓練周」,就我記憶,當時我單位的項目是:頭四天每天早晚各100個俯地挺身、各50個引體上升、各100個仰臥起坐;加上滑鐵索、岩壁垂降、走浪橋、涉淺水、越野障礙、3000公尺武裝耐力跑、5公里負載越野急行等。後三天除原有項目,再加上10公裡越野、12小時強度訓練(在攝氏三十多度的中午,全副武裝及背重25公斤,完成5公里越野耐力跑。)、夜間伏擊。

由於內容時有改變,而我離開已快十年,不知現在流行些什麼。希望我記憶的資料可以解答你的問題囉。

   By question1 (66.146.157.40) on Friday, March 11, 2005 - 6:25 pm:  Edit

你也需要熟悉怎樣使用M249及M240???

   By question1 (66.146.157.40) on Friday, March 11, 2005 - 6:44 pm:  Edit

65步槍真的容易有stoppage嗎?

你們訓練強度似乎比較高,可能是因為我們是後備役的炮兵部隊...

另外我有興趣知道在服役時你是怎樣overcome muscle pain (特別是腳部, after 耐力跑, 急行軍 etc.)


0544了,我是時侯眠一眠
我非常感謝你花費時間share你的寶貴experience!
希望遲些再能請教你!

   By question1 (66.146.156.33) on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 9:19 am:  Edit

今個周末去靶場開槍(M240)
3 年來第一發生"runaway gun"!

   By 丁屎 (203.218.191.162) on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 12:16 am:  Edit

因為我現在忘於出考試卷各寫稿,過兩天比較有空時再跟你詳談國軍的班用機槍。過去也曾發生過槍枝走火事件,那一向是當兵大忌,輕者罰關禁閉;如果有人員傷亡,必須要調查和審訊,可大可小的。總之「一個口令,一個動作」的誡條,在靶場尤其重要,因為從來都是「槍不會走火,只有人手多」。

   By question1 (66.146.151.209) on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 1:49 pm:  Edit

另外, 本人(和友人)正建造一個介紹軍事知識的網站,在不泄密的大前題下,希望能collect多一些角國"鮮為人知"的軍事知識!

   By 丁屎 (218.103.127.195) on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 11:47 am:  Edit

如有用得著在下的,但說無妨。

   By 休伯利安 (219.79.48.108) on Friday, March 18, 2005 - 11:23 am:  Edit

1993-1997 RHKR(V) J CORP 退役時都仲係private~~~唔介意我呢個小朋友係到插嘴架呵~~~^^

   By Question1 (66.146.143.47) on Friday, March 18, 2005 - 2:07 pm:  Edit

Private? so what? do you know how many soldiers who are working in the army for more than 9 yrs and still wearing the Cpl.rank????

please share your unique experience with me (us)!

   By 老人家 (219.77.248.90) on Friday, March 18, 2005 - 10:51 pm:  Edit

The Royal Hong Kong Regiment (RHKR) was disbanded in 1995. It is very interesting to know that someone could have served with it until 1997.

How did you do that?

   By question1 (66.146.149.73) on Saturday, March 19, 2005 - 4:30 pm:  Edit

disbanded in 1995? is it true?
btw 老人家, do you have any military experience?

   By Mr T (80.175.253.100) on Wednesday, March 23, 2005 - 10:30 pm:  Edit

This is a hiking site, not military site, talk army go to somewhere please Thank You.

   By Question1 (66.146.149.31) on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 8:01 am:  Edit

Mr. T, are you webmaster?

hiking = physically challenge = military training

Mr. 丁屎, are you still here?

   By 休伯利安 (219.79.207.172) on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 3:41 pm:  Edit

RHKR既cadet係o係97年大球場大會操之後先解散o架~~~然後變成HKAC~~~無晒d軍事野玩~~~所以我先無繼續join~~~我係last個期cadet~~~編號係9422xx~~~隸屬J2 squadron~~~commanding officer係Lieutenant S.C.Law(後晉升captain)o既
4th Troop(Troop Leader係SSgt.Suen)~~~全個squadron係95年暑假passing-out,結業parade既係陳方安生~~~我仲記得個晚我係4th Troop既Marker,個日咁o岩落傾盆大雨,d鼓聲勁過command聲,好彩都無操錯,但係我老豆睇完問我:點解你唔跟人地一齊eyes-right既?^^

   By Question1 (66.146.157.230) on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 6:28 pm:  Edit

我相信全世界只有少數國家的軍隊,例如北韓的步操是最好看,最整齊,難度大,"99.5%"無誤差. (不排除他/她們是有select過,話曬入得平壤市的都是elite*部隊)

*包括"政治"上

我雖然在加拿大當兵,to be honest我不喜歡那種英式步操,我覺得好難看,左手(chest pockets high)右腿,右腿左手...似puppet show!

   By P.Yau (81.136.134.160) on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 2:35 am:  Edit

I quit agree Mr T, people in this site should be talk less army, i think them lot still not understand. ( be the way Military traning is not =Hiking)

   By 礦場老人 (221.124.70.154) on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 12:42 pm:  Edit

but i think Hiking can=探險,=Military traning
要唔討論都討論咗,無所胃la,如果唔係你想點?

   By Question1 (66.146.151.125) on Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 1:16 pm:  Edit

dear webmaster, please notify me if you cannot accept us (me) to post anything related to "military". Thank You!

   By question_1 (66.146.157.237) on Friday, April 15, 2005 - 2:41 am:  Edit

Mr. 丁屎, are you still here?

   By 丁屎 (218.103.127.195) on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 3:08 pm:  Edit

在下仍在,只是有人警告別要在此談軍訓相關問題,在下便收口。

   By question1 (66.146.157.254) on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 7:35 pm:  Edit

webmaster暫時沒有作出干預, 我想他/她接受o瓜!

過去的一個weekend有小型exercise, 話雖小型,但"敵"我雙方都相當凶悍...

   By 丁屎 (218.102.191.209) on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 9:42 pm:  Edit

演習如同作戰。所謂「平時多流汗,戰時少流血。」
那次是實彈演習還是空彈?

   By Question1 (66.146.156.151) on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 4:57 pm:  Edit

用Blank Ammo; 一人一件有receivers的背心,每人的武器上都加裝會emit Laser的器材.
另外, 每人都有2-3件代替手榴彈的爆破管(Thunder flash)或煙霧彈,敵炮轟效果由artillery simulator造成...

除聽課外,就是在Trench中等待敵來襲,原本整個weekend是有2-3小時可睡,但由于夜晚實在非常冷,再加上... 最後,全部3天也無睡覺. 只能在軍隊巴士在返回城市的途中睡個飽...

   By Question1 (66.146.156.151) on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 6:22 pm:  Edit

可能因沙地的關系,我們使用的機槍絕大部分都"不太聽話",even 轉了adverse setting始終都不時有中斷;

在其中一次戰斗中,我被告知"前方"已經不可以阻礙"敵人"前進時,本人從已"戰死"的戰友中拿走一門M249,和其余2名戰友跑到前方,我把機槍setup在戰壕的一個intersection,並由戰友用步槍及"手榴彈"掩護,僅數秒後成群"敵"人已經開始出現在眼前,我立即解除safe射擊,無奈射出兩發就中斷,打不中"敵人",我連忙告知戰友出現故障,在我躲到左邊的彎角排障的同時,他們向"敵"擲"手榴彈",有沒有"傷"到敵人,我不知道,但此舉使"敵"人退回更前面的另一個彎角.剛排障完成"敵"又繼續前進,我再開始射擊,但這次又是一樣兩聲便"啞",當時成群"敵"人已經跑到我面前3-4m向我射擊,我不知發了什麼神經,可能太緊張或者太投入,喊了句"Pok街la"(廣東話粗口)就拿著機槍撞向"敵"人,撞倒了前面兩個我便墮下,這時才發現身上receiver背心的喇叭在長響,意思是我也同樣"陣亡"..."敵"人們緊張地向我其余2名戰友逃走的方向繼續前進. 而我就爬出戰壕外和那些已經"戰死"的人坐在一起等待這一段攻防演習的結束...

這一段攻防演習的結果是我們完全被"消滅"!

   By 丁屎 (218.103.127.195) on Monday, April 25, 2005 - 10:22 am:  Edit

由你的這一次演練可以看出兵器保養的重要。槍枝卡彈原因不外是機件油潤不足或異物阻塞,在沙礫地帶有沒有採取相應保護措施呢?一般會發大幅膠布或膠袋將槍枝蓋起;而過程當中亦要求不時檢測性能狀況,必要時進行拆槍清理。演練過程狀況千鈞一髮,看就看當事人是否冷靜,手法是否嫻熟。

   By question1 (66.146.157.249) on Monday, April 25, 2005 - 4:35 pm:  Edit

通常我們只用蓋子封槍口,
在演習時槍口多數要加了BFA.

以後本人一定更緊張在野外時的武器保養...

   By 丁屎 (218.103.127.195) on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 11:55 am:  Edit

請問大家,是否有人知道飛鵝山上有一大型山洞隧道?

   By question1 (66.146.150.109) on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 6:21 am:  Edit

Mr.丁屎, are you from Taiwan?

   By 丁屎 (218.103.127.195) on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 1:31 pm:  Edit

我是香港居民,曾在中華民國加入軍隊。目前我在香港工作。

   By 丁屎 (218.103.127.195) on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 1:58 pm:  Edit

我在form.2那年看了一部名為《國父傳》的電影,自此十分敬仰孫中山先生,開始讀他的著作、學說;同時也開始思考一些關於國家、價值觀的問題,在民主自由與專政獨裁之間選擇了前者,因此在中學時期便計劃到自由中國(中華民國)升學,除了學風自由,在象徵意義上,亦讓自己與國父的關係更密切。
在香港這個功利掛帥、不慣於深層思考的社會中,我可說是「異類」,何況在那個只講「金錢」的八十年代!

   By question1 (66.146.149.40) on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 5:07 pm:  Edit

"在香港這個功利掛帥、不慣於深..." 我強烈同意你這個statement!

但"共產中國"進步了不少哦!
Btw,可否告訴我為什麼你要退役??

   By question1 (66.146.149.40) on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 5:19 pm:  Edit

另外,你們的部隊使用什麼反坦克武器?

我本人在Basic training時訓練使用Carl Gustav M2...
某一個夜晚背著它穿越那個樹林...背著它在上上落落的地形上奔跑,絕,絕,絕,絕不是快樂的事情!

   By 丁屎 (218.102.131.226) on Saturday, April 30, 2005 - 1:12 am:  Edit

中國大陸的進進只是經濟發展的進步,而且是非常不平均的進步;然而在國民素質(教育建設)和人權(政治改革)兩個衡量國家進步的普世標準上仍極待改善。可惜的是,共產黨的本質就是專制,打著「人民政府」旗幟,卻從來沒有人民做主的份,甚至連論政都會動輒得究,與專制君權無兩樣;人民根本不可能從制度中去評議政事、參與政府組成或監督施政,只有共產黨說了算。
民主政治是一個原則,台灣的問題不在民主制度本身,而是在操作上。香港人對台灣議會的抗爭文化和不同政見之間的激烈對抗望而生畏,可是卻從來不去理解其原委。很多香港人慣了當順民,很難體會自由非賞賜,民主非恩典的道理。短暫的亂象是從專制到民主的必然過程,古今皆如是,包括英、美、法等民主大國。甚少香港人會認識到近代台灣人所受的壓迫,現今只是物極必反所爆發的內營力作用,相對於八十年代末開放之初,明顯是正在不斷改善。

   By 丁屎 (218.102.131.226) on Saturday, April 30, 2005 - 1:22 am:  Edit

上面太多題外話了,海涵。
我軍的「單兵反裝甲兵器」主要是:APILAS火箭、一式六六火箭(仿M72)、AT-4火箭、JAVELIN飛彈、各型號拖式飛彈和銅斑蛇砲彈(M712)。

   By 丁屎 (203.218.76.29) on Sunday, May 08, 2005 - 6:20 pm:  Edit

Question1兄,未請教你的部隊駐地在哪裡?

   By question1 (66.146.143.4) on Monday, May 09, 2005 - 3:12 pm:  Edit

Toronto, 我是預備役軍人

   By 丁屎 (218.103.127.195) on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 - 9:13 am:  Edit

請教加拿大的「預備軍官」制度是怎樣的?

   By question1 (66.146.149.108) on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 - 3:49 pm:  Edit

請比幾天時間我,我會回去問問!

   By question1 (66.146.149.108) on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 - 4:19 pm:  Edit

基本上,預備役軍官是大學或社區學院畢業生...
在基本訓練中,內容和普通準士兵一樣.當年我就和不少準軍官一起訓練,他們當中有律師,更有驗尸官...
完成基本訓練後,他們就會接受leadership方面的訓練.
到他們回到自己的部隊時,會繼續on job training,同時,他們多會付責管理新兵的訓練...


請問邊一方面你想知道?

   By 丁屎 (203.218.177.175) on Wednesday, May 11, 2005 - 7:35 pm:  Edit

中華民國的預備軍官制度大同小異。我們的預官來源有二:大專畢業生和社會人士,然而以前者居多,他們要通過國家的「預官試」,合格後便按志願和和性向分發各兵科,於不同的幹部訓練基地受訓(成功嶺就是其中之一),結訓後下部隊實習,然後正式掛指職。

你是否會在退役後留在加拿大發展呢?

   By question1 (66.146.143.143) on Friday, May 13, 2005 - 10:03 am:  Edit

我相信除非我不幸有意外事故(斷手斷腿),裁軍,我都不打算退役! :-)

   By question1 (66.146.143.143) on Friday, May 13, 2005 - 10:31 am:  Edit

銅斑蛇是不是炮射激光導引砲彈?

   By 冰雪 ~.~ (219.78.16.220) on Saturday, May 14, 2005 - 8:11 pm:  Edit

Private Kenji Ohara, 1st Machine Gun Company, 1st Battalion, 215 Infantry Regiment, 33 Division 報到!

曾參與Prelude to the Battle of Monywa Tiddim.

Our 305,000 Japanese soldiers fought in Burma between 1942 and 1945; 180,000 of them died.

   By question1 (66.146.150.246) on Sunday, May 15, 2005 - 11:12 am:  Edit

請問國軍是怎樣晉升?
pay rate, 福利如何?

   By 丁屎 (219.77.237.241) on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 10:25 pm:  Edit

是的,銅斑蛇是應用雷射標定技術的反裝甲彈。

   By querstion1 (66.146.150.23) on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 8:09 pm:  Edit

無後座力炮是不是你們的反裝甲裝備?

有沒有試/聽過使用M72時發生misfire? 我意思是壓trigger後火箭彈沒有點火?

聽說你們有種類似俄制AT-3的反坦克飛彈,需要射手不斷用操縱桿,看著飛彈的底火來調整飛行路線...這種飛彈仍在使用? 訓練是怎樣???

   By question1 (66.146.142.250) on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 11:07 pm:  Edit

有無人知道港英時代(戰後)香港有無炮兵部隊?
裝備只是 25pdr.?

   By 丁屎 (203.218.72.220) on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 11:59 pm:  Edit

炮彈死火是有,不過是偶爾發生而已,大部分原是電的問題。

   By question1 (66.146.150.64) on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 10:42 am:  Edit

不便討論o下那樣反坦克飛彈??? :-)

   By C (65.50.37.58) on Saturday, June 11, 2005 - 10:06 am:  Edit

question1兄:

I think Royal Artillery units pulled out of HK around 1976.

Are there a lot of Chinese (HK, mainland, Taiwan) in the Canadian armed forces?

Is there any good online military forum based in HK?

   By queston1 (66.146.142.113) on Saturday, June 11, 2005 - 12:54 pm:  Edit

:-) you are from Canada too!
CF member?

   By C (65.50.37.58) on Sunday, June 12, 2005 - 6:50 am:  Edit

Yes, I am from Canada! :)
I am not a CF member...just interested in military history.

   By q~1 (66.146.149.194) on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 7:09 am:  Edit

you know what is CF?

   By C (65.50.37.58) on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 9:40 am:  Edit

CF = Canadian Forces
right?

   By question1 (66.146.151.45) on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 11:59 am:  Edit

有什麼可以請教???

   By C (65.50.37.58) on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 9:14 am:  Edit

I have to 請教 you...
I heard that the Canadian army is (or was) taking in recruits who could not meet the standard for physical fitness. Is that true?
Also, are there many Chinese in the armed forces?

   By question1 (66.146.151.238) on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 5:55 pm:  Edit

if you could not pass the physical fitness test, you will pay the price at the basic training.

not much Chinese, especially those from Hong Kong, I don't think many of them can tolerate the life in army.

Btw, are you from Toronto? plan to join the CF?

   By C (65.50.37.58) on Monday, June 20, 2005 - 12:06 pm:  Edit

I see. Thanks.
I am not physically fit and I am afraid I'll have a heart attack while doing the 10 km run!

   By question1 (66.146.143.85) on Monday, June 20, 2005 - 4:41 pm:  Edit

how do you know about the 10k run?

   By C (65.50.37.58) on Tuesday, June 21, 2005 - 5:55 am:  Edit

You said it in your post earlier... :)
"7-10km run every day (at least twice) "

   By q1 (66.146.156.140) on Tuesday, July 05, 2005 - 7:44 pm:  Edit

Mr.丁屎 still here???

   By HKMSC32 (219.77.0.102) on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 7:59 pm:  Edit

Hi!依!
呢到有楓葉兵(加拿大兵),
同水雷砲師兄(HKMSC)喎!!
好似重有中國兵添!

   By question1 (66.146.143.84) on Saturday, August 20, 2005 - 12:28 pm:  Edit

中國兵???

   By J94xxxx (158.132.12.80) on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 5:57 pm:  Edit

休伯利安...你真係 J-Boy?
你例出既時間同小弟所知既有D出入
93 入隊...編號應該係93xxxx 而唔係 94xxxx
最後一屆J 仔...PASSING OUT 應該係 94 年 7月2x 日
唔係 95 年暑假....

仲有....RHKRV 係 1995年9月2日係新圍軍營做解散操...
A-D Sq.,HQ Sq., J 仔都有份操....

有錯請指正

   By question1 (66.146.143.230) on Monday, August 29, 2005 - 2:14 pm:  Edit

有無人知道港英時代(戰後)香港有無炮兵部隊?
裝備只是 25pdr.?

   By hkmsc32 (218.102.197.33) on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 12:14 am:  Edit

我冇見過!

   By 老人家 (219.77.70.163) on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 10:02 am:  Edit

如果閣下沒有親眼見過,閣下還年青哪。我有幸在女皇壽晨的閱兵巡行時親眼見過由軍車拖曳著的鎦彈砲,當年的我,當然不懂得它的口徑若干,現在回想起來,我估起碼有125mm吧,當然,也不知道它是那一個部隊的。

以閣下的常識,閣下可以推想一下,當年駐港英軍有常駐的戰鬥機(Hawker Hunter),轟炸機(Canberra),高射砲部隊,重坦克車(Centurion)(70年代被輕型的Scorpion取代),你認為會沒有field guns嗎?

閣下稱那年代為港英時代,閣下想必為所謂愛國同胞了,否則,又怎會用那樣的字眼?哈,哈。。你究竟知唔知自己up左乜?

   By C (65.50.37.58) on Friday, September 09, 2005 - 11:08 am:  Edit

This page lists all the Royal Artillery units in Hong Kong from 1947 to 1976:
http://wohnungs-suche.com/Raa/info/Locations/Hong_Kong/HongKong.htm

Also, I remember seeing a book titled "Guns and Gunners of Hong Kong" which may have some info.

Hope they help.

   By shuohuangzhe (218.102.189.29) on Friday, September 09, 2005 - 11:27 am:  Edit

The list is marvellous. I never expected to know the RA units that were stationed in HK. Many thanks.

   By question1 (66.146.151.183) on Friday, September 09, 2005 - 4:47 pm:  Edit

俄制火炮先會系125mm.
大有可能只是25pdr.,我覺得香港只適合用較小calibre(in other words,較輕)的火炮.

本人自小對軍事充滿興趣,雖然本人在炮兵部隊服役,
但對過去的香港軍事認識甚少,請指教!


P.S. 港英... 舊香港英屬政府!
yes, 我系"愛國同胞",但"絕對"不是"縫中必對"果D.

   By shuohuangzhe (219.77.70.41) on Friday, September 09, 2005 - 10:54 pm:  Edit

英女皇壽晨的閱兵巡行,這已經是50或60年代的事了,因為之後再也沒有閱兵巡行。那麼,老人家在看到閱兵巡行那時恐怕是蘇蝦仔(或大一點)吧!對40年前過外的事物,記憶應模糊了。我會同意較小的calibre,例如105mm可能性高一點。

在香港行山網請教人恐怕不是明智的選擇,這裡不可能有如此的人。駐港RA從來沒有華人服役;HKMSC只不過是個支援單位;RHKR只是輕偵察單位;兩者連mortar都沒有裝備,又那會懂artillery?

C提供的連結,應可找到些veteran's net,到那處請教似乎才有用。

   By shuohuangzhe (219.77.249.24) on Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 3:08 pm:  Edit

Ah...in fact the link provided by C leads us to a page which shows what sort of field guns the Royal Artillery had in Hong Kong:

20th Reg RA

It would appear that they used 25-pdr in the 50s, then 105mm pack howitzer in the 70s, before 20th Reg RA was disbanded. Sounds reasonable, given the fact that they had to support infantry and Centurion heavy tanks in hilly Hong Kong.

   By C (65.50.37.58) on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 5:14 am:  Edit

shuohuangzhe: You are welcome!

Are there any good online military forums or web sites based in HK? After all this is a hiking forum. :)

   By question1 (66.146.156.217) on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 2:35 pm:  Edit

請問,在香港有邊度系靶場(不是射擊場,意思是適合火炮射擊訓練的地方)

   By shuohuangzhe (219.77.70.99) on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 6:18 pm:  Edit

C, you must be at the States or somewhere.

I don't think there are any military web sites or forums,good or not so good, that are based in Hong Kong. Hong Kong has never been a country. No one here has ever faced the draft. The locals that once served with the British forces here never took on a combat role.

The people here just are NOT interested in anything military. (That, however, does not signify that they are a peaceful people, mind you).

   By shuohuangzhe (219.78.112.16) on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 7:11 pm:  Edit

如果火炮並不包括mortar的話,香港現在已經沒有火砲射擊場。人口那麼多,土地那麼少,怎可能容得下火砲射擊場?況且,現在駐守在香港的中國地面部隊隊也無配備火砲。

   By C (65.50.37.58) on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 11:55 pm:  Edit

Thanks shuohuangzhe. I am in Canada and am interested in military history.

"That, however, does not signify that they are a peaceful people"... Hahaha. Usually we HK people are not too violent, right? :)

I used to go to http://jczs.sina.com.cn but the topics have become less and less interesting.

My friend likes this forum: http://www.china-defense.com

For Canadian stuff I go to http://army.ca

Just found this last night:
http://mdc.idv.tw/phpbb2/index.php

   By shuohuangzhe (219.77.77.239) on Monday, September 12, 2005 - 2:25 pm:  Edit

>We HK people<?

I am not sure I am with you on this one. Havent' you made Canada your home already? Thanks for the links anyway.

You mentioned that this is, after all, a hiking forum. Right you are. What is not realised, by many here I think, is the connection between the military and hiking. Many of the 'gear' used by the infantry can be just as useful to the average hiker (and VICE VERSA). It may sound unlikely, even some of the field technique commonly used by the military is just as useful to those who hike or camp in the wild. I am certain that there is a place for such gear or technique in any hiking forum.

   By question1 (66.146.157.66) on Monday, September 12, 2005 - 8:44 pm:  Edit

Correction:
"曾經"系靶場!

Thanks!

C: http://army.ca 有好多"兄弟"...
btw, 你有無consider過join?

   By C (65.50.37.58) on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 12:56 pm:  Edit

shuohuangzhe: Haha...in many ways I am more HK than Canadian. Yes, you are right about hiking and military. I remember seeing a post saying something like "don't discuss military stuff in a hiking forum", so I am a bit concerned. :)

question1: No...I am too old and physically unfit to join...
靶場--> Castle Peak, Basalt Island (for Navy?). Not sure if these are still being used by PLA.

   By shuohuangzhe (218.103.157.192) on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 3:14 pm:  Edit

You were "a bit concerned"? You must have forgotten much of HK, including the people here. It's a joke, though a sick one. You do encounter people (alas, not too few!) here who say something like "don't discuss military stuff in a hiking forum". When they do, they target you (the person) rather than what you say. If you stay here long enough , you would discover that MOST of what is discussed here is not related to hiking!

Back to Question1's question. I think Basalt Island was indeed part of a firing range or zone(we are talking about artillery or naval guns). As I can recall, much of Port Shelter and Kau Sai Chau were also parts of the zone. To warn people to keep off, firing practice notices were published in the Gazette and announced on the radio in advance. As for Castle Peak, I think it was only used for mortar and recoil-less rifle practice. The latter probably was intended as an anti-tank weapon, and was later replaced by the Milan.

   By question1 (66.146.134.81) on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 3:43 pm:  Edit

i think so...
may be some ppl jealous...

   By shuohuangzhe (219.77.78.224) on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 4:25 pm:  Edit

If indeed "jealous", they are because you use a language they cannot cope with.

Beware.

   By question1 (66.146.150.117) on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - 4:25 pm:  Edit

我有問題...

1.當年華藉英兵訓練怎樣? (detail d plz!)

2. 最近聽人講一些香港中學生在PLA基地接受訓練,是什麼 一回事? 訓練什麼? 訓練強度有否稍微減低? 薪金福利怎樣? PLA是否有intention開始recruit香港人?

thank you very much!!!

   By C (65.50.37.58) on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 10:55 am:  Edit

shuohuangzhe: Yeah..some people just want to pick fights. This happens in all forums.

question1: Please see the following link for PLA summer camp in HK:
http://www.chinamil.com.cn/site1/zbxl/2005-07/21/content_255195.htm

My impression is that PLA does not trust HK people and probably won't start recruiting soon.

   By C (65.50.37.58) on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 11:08 am:  Edit

More about PLA summer camp...
http://www.emb.gov.hk/FileManager/TC/Content_2428/emb76_2005.pdf

I am interested in 參觀駐軍軍史館!

   By Jesse (172.202.227.236) on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 2:21 am:  Edit

I'm in the Royal Navy Reserve in the UK

   By question1 (66.146.146.187) on Thursday, November 10, 2005 - 8:33 pm:  Edit

would u please tell us more about your military experience :)

   By Jesse (172.201.190.205) on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 10:24 am:  Edit

I join up the HMS Smiter went I started my life in university cos by area in the UK we has reserve forces in different area for student to join as a part time. I join up as a Officer Cadet after 2 year services in the navy i be came a Midshipman. I like the life being in the navy cos done a lot of free travel with the ship. I was deployed to Isle of Man, West Islands in Scotland, N.Ireland, Jersay Island, Gunsey Island not just the British Colony or with in the UK I also wne to france and Spain with the navy. When I stay at home in Hong Kong I had my chance to talk with the sailor who works in the commumwealths warship in Hong Kong. So I love to life in there so thinking about stay in the reserve forces after university

   By 小芬 (220.141.230.15) on Thursday, November 17, 2005 - 7:31 pm:  Edit

我有問題;我的男朋友考上志願士官兵,11月14ㄖ去的什嚜時候可以去懇親,幫我查他第幾梯很急?

   By question1 (66.146.151.117) on Friday, November 18, 2005 - 3:02 am:  Edit

Taiwanese army???

   By Jesse (172.203.253.208) on Saturday, November 19, 2005 - 6:36 am:  Edit

well he should be ROC Forces isnt it? Or he is a Her Majesty's Canadian Forces Reserve?


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