分享:坪洲•手指山──行山小記一則

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   By Sundance on Monday, April 16, 2007 - 1:08 pm:  Edit

Look carefully:
horses

   By Sundance on Sunday, April 15, 2007 - 2:27 pm:  Edit

雲水兄, 我用Google Earth看到坪洲了, 您的相片帶回不小回憶, 謝謝!

   By 雲水 on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 10:13 pm:  Edit

Sundance 兄,坪洲是另一個離島,在長洲以北,面積較長洲為小。照片的東灣是坪洲東灣,不是長洲東灣。

   By Congratulations on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 8:58 pm:  Edit

When you can say something,expecially the "LAST
SENTENCE", that means you are growing. When you are growing, that means you begin to understand your own self. When you begin to understand yourself, that means you yourself is the "MIRROR" and the "X-RAY" of yourself.
Totally agree the last sentence and fully "CONGRATULATIONS .

   By Growing on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 8:39 pm:  Edit

When you can say "SOMETHING",that means you are "GROWING". When you are growing,that means you begin to understand yourself.

Participation+live with it+growing+ "Mirror"+X-Ray+...something like that.

   By 討論 on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 7:12 pm:  Edit

外界(社會,人文,習俗....)有多少碰撞,多少改變對個人"靈"的成長來說,沒有"非有不可"的作用;不要賴社會,不要賴家境,不要賴父母,不用賴緣份,要成長要改變要圓滿的是那個"我",對"我"不視不見,沒要求,很難有察覺.外界可能改變得很慢或很意外,但能把自己真正改變就是不停成長了.











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   By 看與交流 on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 3:52 pm:  Edit

June,
思想交流、溝通重要過文字/言語的溝通.閣下盡量看啦.有時只是看,不作回應,也是一種交流和享受呢.請閣下勿介懷.

   By Three in one on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 2:35 pm:  Edit

You've learnt "SOME''how to look inside to know oneself'"THERE". Do you remember? But, you care "IT" until now, right? You are "GROWING".

Participation+live with it+growing.

   By June on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 1:00 pm:  Edit

I'm sorry for Sundance.

   By Sundance on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 12:29 pm:  Edit

氏無名, I moved to New Mexico now. The weather has been really wild. Last week I went hiking, today we have a big snow storm, could have gone snow-shoeing or cross-country skiing!
我也讚賞雲水兄的相片. 俯瞰東灣的相片是長洲的東灣嗎? 多年前我小時, 記得當祖母仍活時她住那裡附近的, 我拜訪她時在東灣游水, 但不記得有那些高大廈在背景中的, 那是什麼地方? 也不知道坪洲是什麼地方, 近長洲?
Sorry for my bad 中文. 寫這幾句我要30分鐘!

   By June on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 9:10 am:  Edit

《成長的關鍵在於純然覺察》

絕對同意雲水先生的觀點。

   By 雲水 on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 6:50 am:  Edit

聊供參考:
____________________________________________

你曾說:「隨著歲月的流逝,有些人不斷成長,但
亦有許多人只是年長,沒有成長。」請問:怎樣才
能使自己成長?
____________________________________________

成長的關鍵在於純然覺察。

只要我們仍然生存,年長是必然的事,但成長卻不
一定發生。

為什麼呢?因為我們可以天天不覺察地生活,甚至
在一種近乎「昏睡」的狀態下生活。我們只是不斷
重複某些經驗,但對那些經驗並沒有覺察,即使偶
有所覺,但卻無法接受,即是帶著批判或譴責的眼
光來看那些經驗,以致未能在其中學到任何東西。
譬如,我們昨天因小事而大發脾氣,今天亦因小事
而發脾氣,明天又再重複。我們只是不斷堆積發脾
氣的經驗,但卻未能於其中獲取智慧。隨著歲月的
流逝,我們只是年長,沒有成長。

一旦我們對自己的生活有所覺察──純然覺察,即
是以接受的態度來覺察,也就是以不帶任何批判或
譴責的眼光來覺察,我們就能看清楚有關事情,從
而不斷提升自己。覺察本身正意味著我們離開原來
的層面,站在一個更高的層次,以客觀冷靜的眼光
來看自己,也就是不再陷溺於原來的層面當中而不
自知。只要保持覺察,我們就能看清楚自己的各種
缺點和弱點,從而改進自己。譬如,我們對自己常
因小事而發脾氣有所覺察,只要不失覺察,覺察本
身就有治療作用,也就是說,覺察本身就能轉化我
們因小事而發脾氣這種習氣。隨著歲月的流逝,我
們不僅年長,還能成長。

──雲水網站「生活浪花」

   By hiking on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 12:16 am:  Edit

Actually everybody' s current situation is due to two factors 1). Personality 2). Your personal timeline.
If the personal timeline compensate your personality weakness, then you are in good luck. If the personal timeline exaggerate your weakness, then you are in bad luck.
During badluck, you know exactly what your weakness is. During goodluck you praise for your strength. Percentage of strength and weakness in different areas make up yourself and you can know more about yourself by immersing in different situation. Somebody look inside to know themselves (meditation and study of personal life span) and somebody look outside (by experience).
Could someone tell me more how to look inside to know oneself, anybody has experience ?

   By June on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 10:13 pm:  Edit

氏無名兄,

多謝你的回應,原來行山網是方便任何人用中文或英文貼文章,我也明白有些網友是不會打中文字的,不過我的知識水平就祇可以理解中文,就正如你祇能用英文思考一樣,太多的英文令我看得困難,請原諒!

《希望你不會看得太認真》

放心,我是不會太認真的,但文章我確是用心去寫,這是真的。

   By 氏無名 on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 9:50 pm:  Edit

June

曾與你分享、交流(+學習)佛學心得的我似乎應該回應。

網站似乎從未聲稱這個是[中文行山網]。當我在那[盒子]打這篇東西時,上面的說明是:Add a Message。下面一大堆都是英語:Username, Password, Preview/Post Message。。。。這都是我們面對的事實。

我用英語,因為:

1。它是我的第一語言(可有留意我生硬古怪的中文?)。故此,思考、構詞比較容易;
2。輸入拼音文字比輸入像形文字容易得多。我打這篇東西也是用拼音輸入法;
3。當帖子內容廣泛提及英語的參考文章時,使用中國語會變得阻手阻腳。
4。要回應英語的帖子。

答案[似模似樣]嗎?

希望你不會看得太認真。正如我不會對[我看不明白哩]的真實性看得太認真。

   By June on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 8:23 pm:  Edit

做什麼中文行山網站會有咁多英文文章,我看不明白哩!!

   By Participation on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 4:31 pm:  Edit

Dears...,
No matter what kind of people we are, when we don't understand the world, or if we cant't know about the world, just let the world understands or knows us. Objectively speaking, the only necessary way or mean(s) to understand ourshelves or to know about the world is through "PARTICIPATION.
Take it easy.

   By 是無名 on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 4:19 pm:  Edit

No, he is the one who really is, just for example. To me he is one of the many who have "seen it all". If I have appeared 'humble' in any way, this is nothing more than a reflection of what I have learned from this one:

"The qualities we possess should never be a matter for satisfaction, but the qualities we have discarded. "

It brings home exactly what you raised in the first place: to really know ourselves. Trouble is, so few of us are ready to part with our prejudices and obsessions - 'qualities' which we must do without to get to know ourselves.

Back to hiking. Summer is just around the corner here, and hiking becomes a sweaty business, again. How's it like in Arizona?

   By Sundance on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 12:16 pm:  Edit

"I've seen too many (me included! ) who just don't have a clue what they are up to"
From what I have learned from you, you're miles ahead of most of us! You're too humble, my friend.

   By 是無名 on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 11:09 am:  Edit

Yeah, that's precisely the most difficult bit. I've seen too many (me included! ) who just don't have a clue what they are up to. If there is any 'solace' for me to live with, it's the fact that I would readily acknowledge it, at least to myself. I think it's the key. I think we can all choose our way forward, but that shouldn't mean turning our back to all other possibilities. To me that means shutting up all avenues of approach to our inner self. The choice is ours, after all. Why ditch it, when it's still there?

   By Sundance on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 10:36 am:  Edit

"We should understand ourselves first"
Ha! That is precisely the most difficult aspect of life. Do you really know yourself, whether the way you are living is really what you want? Or have you been simply drifting into your present life, taking the path of least resistance? Do you REALLY know what you want in life? Most difficult of all, do you have the courage to pursue what you want, if it means starting over?

   By Undertanding on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 10:16 am:  Edit

We should understand ourselves first before we understand about the world, otherwise we know nothing about "IT".

   By hiking on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 11:38 pm:  Edit

There are all kinds of people, some are higher and some are lower, the lower seems to less understand about the world. But they will all eventually understand.

   By 練習甚麼鬼 on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 4:47 pm:  Edit

閣下是練習呼吸,是練習氣,是練習工,是練習禁食,還是練習甚麼鬼東西呢?閣下肚子餓嗎?為甚麼會練習到流口水的???

   By 氏無名 on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 3:53 pm:  Edit

Oh, I see. I learned a lot. Many thanks for your time.

   By 有可能 on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 3:37 pm:  Edit

兩種可能:
1)死人(即沒有生命氣息的人)就完全永遠達到心境平和了.
2)全世界只有他/她一個人.但我認為這都不太可能.因為恐怕他/她獨自一個人時而感到孤獨,感到寂寞,這時,他/她便會被甚麼心念,心魔...打擾了.
所以,只有1)的情況完全可能.

   By 不可能 on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 3:16 pm:  Edit

人者人也,人窮畢生都不可能永遠達到心境平和.若有人說他/她能,我會說他/她是自欺欺己.

   By June on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 3:02 pm:  Edit

愣嚴經埵頂﹞迨Q陰魔
就是說出一般在入定打坐到某一階段時容易遇到的境界,所謂五十陰魔其實都是我們的貪瞋痴所形成的一些幻像,亦祇是我們的心魔。
幻象無須留戀;打坐、坐禪的目的主要是讓心安定,心定了魔或會出現,祇要我們不貪戀,由它生、由它滅。
心境平和,就會沒有什麼境界,人也會更清澈澄明,如脫胎換骨。

   By Live with IT on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 2:46 pm:  Edit

世間並沒有高人,只有【道】與生活連繫一起.
Just live with "IT"
自稱高人的人,小心自己 walks on the "EGGSHELLS".

   By Live with on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 2:38 pm:  Edit

如果道本身是沒有形體的,那麼就沒有內、外之分了.若向外求,會【雜】,會沾染不潔淨的東西.例如我們吃的東西都是不潔淨的,所以我們的肚腹都不潔淨了.若向內求,心(MIND & HEARET)本身是向內的/在內面的,那麼又何必多此一舉呢•即阿某整餅.
Just live with "IT".
Don't let ourselves walk on "EGGSHELLS"

   By 氏無名 on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 2:32 pm:  Edit

在所謂[求道]的過程中體驗到一種經歷倒是想知有那位參禪的[道友]可有類似經歷。我姑且稱之為[練習]好了,因為它的出發點與方式不是甚麼打坐、坐禪、入定。練習時:

呼吸次數不自覺減少,變得深而長;
腹鳴:腸胃咯咯作響;
口水分泌大增,甚至流出口外(認真流口水!);
心念大減,縱使有,也如雲彩般一飄而去;
心境平和、寧靜,失去時間感,甚至不願停止練習;
練習後自覺視覺敏銳了,集中力好了,一段時間仍覺心境平和;
夢多了,而且夢境多是自己從未想像到的事物,甚至是道理。

有那位高人可以指點?

   By Live with on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 2:29 pm:  Edit

如果道本身是沒有形體的,那麼就沒有內與外之分了.若向外求,會【雜】,會沾染不潔淨.例如我們吃的東西都是不潔淨的,所以我們的肚腹都不潔淨了.若向外求,心(MIND & HEART)本身是向內的/在內面的,那麼又何必多此一舉呢/阿某整餅呢.
Just live with "IT".
Don't let ourselves walk on "EGGSHELLS"

   By 參禪悟 on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 9:12 am:  Edit

道本身是超越人心所想所求的.無論是參是禪都只是悟而已.

   By 氏無名 on Thursday, April 12, 2007 - 8:51 am:  Edit

June,

>>兩位前輩

你曾提過你學佛有多久,你才是我的前輩。

>>小女子自嘆讀得書少

原來你同我一樣: 讀得書少。。不過,小女子,小男人,就課題而言,那有甚麼分別?

>>怕辜負了氏無名兄一番好意呢

你要看的話,又那會找不到?

   By June on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 10:39 pm:  Edit

氏無名兄,

金剛經我祇認識皮毛而已,那敢在雲水先生及氏無名兄兩位前輩面前班門弄斧哩!
不過我就會念那四句偈,學佛之路漫長,而且學海無涯,當勤精進,無負今生。
禪是不立文字,教外別傳,小女子自嘆讀得書少,怕辜負了氏無名兄一番好意呢!

   By 眾善奉行 on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 10:29 pm:  Edit

走在道上,心往外探,走到離經叛道;由內心找,道在心內,曲折綿延,走來柳暗花明,別有洞天,時有驚喜.

   By 氏無名 on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 9:21 pm:  Edit

June,

阿。。。我誤會了你原來那句話了。你是明白的。

「若以色見我,以音聲求我,是人行邪道,不得見如來。」

你對金剛經認識不淺哪!June 同志,原來你也收聽那個頻度!我應否把座禪用心記寄給你呢?

   By June on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 8:53 pm:  Edit

氏無名兄,

「越求就越求不到,越求不到便越心灰意冷。」
我不認為求道會令人心灰意冷,若會心灰意冷,關鍵以乎就在那個『求』字上面,刻意的『求』是邪,但亦不能不『求』,『求』是要時刻提醒自己有個不退轉心,要隨心隨意的『求』亦不作強『求』。
「若以色見我,以音聲求我,是人行邪道,不得見如來。」
「道」亦復如是!

   By 雲水 on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 6:17 pm:  Edit

甲說:道不用求。
禪師說:那是對的。
乙說:道不用求。
禪師說:那是錯的。
丙問:為何如此?
禪師說:參。

   By 同意 on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 5:58 pm:  Edit

同意.道不必外求.道與心相連.道就在人的心裡.道會自然讓我們知道、明白.道會向我們啟示它自己.

   By 氏無名 on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 5:04 pm:  Edit

>>求道是多生多世的旅程

對此,我的經驗(絕不美妙!)是:不要求,切勿求。它就在那堙A越求就越求不到。越求不到便越心灰意冷,令人墮入惡性循環。世界有名的道元禪師(Dogen)所著[坐禪用心記]有這幾句:

“。。。放捨心意識,休息念想觀,勿圖作佛。。。不用燒香、禮拜、念佛、修懺、看經、持課,只管打座。。”

他所述的[打座]其實不是專指一般人所理解的[座禪],其實是[指月的手指]。就正如六祖在[壇經]內所指出,禪不是[座]出來的。小弟認為最關鍵的一句就是:勿圖作佛。因為似乎有不少人以為應該見佛而換來失望。

小弟非常推介[坐禪用心記],可惜据我所知並無網站存有即時可讀的版本,手邊只有WORD 版本和書。如果你認為[不求道]是不可解,和難以置信,請忘記它。

   By 雲水 on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 1:59 pm:  Edit

看留言,June 小姐似亦是學佛之人。

   By June on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 9:32 am:  Edit

雲水先生,

請恕小女子有幾句心底話,
學道之前,看山是山;看水是水。
學道之中,看山不是山;看水不是水。
悟道之後,看山仍是山;看水仍是水。
如今凡夫仍是凡夫,求道是多生多世的旅程,
祇要心不退轉,道仍是要繼續求。

   By 雲水 on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 6:04 pm:  Edit

無名兄,謝謝推介。

若烈火重燃,恐怕那是另一場幻象。
熊熊烈火退後,留下那永不熄滅的火種,就可以了。

「十多年來,我熱切期望,但十多年來,我亦不知有多少次灰心與失望!
如今,求道之心,淡了;但比以前更穩定。我還是在求道的旅途上,踽踽獨行……」

那是永不停止的腳步。

看清楚自己只是凡夫,就是前進了。

   By 雲水 on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 5:56 pm:  Edit

June 君,謝謝。

   By 氏無名 on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 4:37 pm:  Edit

雲水兄。還記得這句話嗎?

[十多年來,我熱切期望,但十多年來,我亦不知有多少次灰心與失望!]

雲水兄可有想過過壇經[機緣品第七]法達和尚那[轉經]和[被經轉]的故事,和他那兩句話?

[經誦三千部,曹溪一句亡。]

小弟很久之前看過一位我認為頗為傳奇人物的著作,小弟向你推介(以回報你拍的靚相 )。一位替他其中一本著作寫序言的臨床心理學博士如是說

I read the book that night from cover to cover. Two things stood out. First, I didn't have a clue what the book was about, and, second, I knew in my bones that I had been handed a gift. Unconsciously, I knew exactly what the book was about. It made the hair on my arms stand straight up and my heart raced for no apparent reason. At the conscious level, I was permitted, thanks to denial, to grasp every ninth word if I was lucky. The book's style was very abstruse, even a bit pedantic and "Oxfordian", but the hidden message set off a firestorm of inquiry that persists to this day. That was over twenty-five years ago.

讀他的著作說不定會令你心中烈火重燃哪!

   By June on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 - 12:49 pm:  Edit

我都好欣賞雲水先生的行山日記及照片呢!
尤其是照片,每每令人眼前一亮。

   By 雲水 on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 7:31 am:  Edit

無名兄,那些照片經電腦軟件﹝PhotoImpact﹞輕微處理。

   By 氏無名 on Sunday, April 08, 2007 - 9:05 pm:  Edit

一如既往,雲水兄拍的照很清晰。

   By 雲水 on Sunday, April 08, 2007 - 7:54 am:  Edit

今天,我和太太及她姊姊先後到長洲和坪洲掃墓。完畢後,她姊姊先乘
渡輪返回香港島,我和太太則到坪洲的手指山走走。手指山雖是坪洲的
最高山,但也只有95公尺,不過,登上山頂後,卻可以俯瞰整個東灣,
景觀開闊優美。我們沿坪洲家樂徑前行,到達大窩並進入「綠衡者有機
農場」參觀,在那裡遇到一位友人,再由他一位在那裡當義工的朋友為
我們介紹各種農作物。「坪洲綠衡者」是一個非牟利機構,宗旨為推廣
環保意識。據那位當義工的朋友說,他們打理農場的人手不夠,正招募
義工。臨走時,我們買了一株薄荷葉小盆栽。我們繼續沿家樂徑隨意走
走,覺得坪洲頗為悠閒恬靜,且富田園氣息,到那裡作一日遊,也很寫
意。但那裡標明地點的指示牌似不足夠,連「手指山」三字也是遊人在
家樂徑指示牌上用筆寫上的。另外,這兩個月以來,我由於坐骨神經痛
以及忙於維修家居,沒有行山,今次再走,覺得體能好像差了一些,不
過,心情卻有點興奮。﹝7/4/2007﹞

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