大浪西灣建十萬呎私人別墅

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   By saikunger on Sunday, August 08, 2010 - 6:50 am:  Edit Posted From: 58.41.129.96

兜兜轉轉

隨私人擁有土地外還丁權

部份男性18歲就會擁有700 sq ft的土地能蓋25 feet 高的樓一棟 ...

那怕我是紅鬚綠眼不曾踏足香港...till now 我未出世的跟我姓的男後代仍會有這權利

我是香港土生土長點解我同好多朝朝一齊同我迫地鐵D人冇lee個權??

   By 土包子 on Saturday, August 07, 2010 - 7:53 pm:  Edit Posted From: 218.252.46.206

未能cheers 住,救得了西灣恐怕救不了海下。還是要靠做官的盡己責,盡快制定全面的保育政策,為香港-我們的家保留謹餘的財產。又希望那些有錢人良知末眠,為我們及我們的后代留少少餘地。善哉。

   By saikunger on Saturday, August 07, 2010 - 8:44 am:  Edit Posted From: 65.49.2.184

cut n paste fr appledaily dd 7 aug 2010

政府昨日刊憲,公佈早前受到工程破壞的西貢大浪西灣納入《發展審批地區草圖》,建議限制區內未來三年的准許用途,只能從事農業活動,其餘發展一律要先經城市規劃委員會審批,令富商魯連城的私人樂園計劃要中止。
政府公佈的大浪西灣發展審批地區草圖的範圍,分為南北兩部份,面積多達 16.55公頃,包括富商魯連城上月施工破壞的北部中央地區。


未來三年發展要申請
城規會發言人表示,該規劃區暫時會劃為「非指定用途」地帶,為期三年,除了農業用途及政府工程外,其餘發展一律要事先向城規會申請。政府在期間會研究訂定適當的土地用途,爭取在三年後,完成為大浪西灣制訂《分區計劃大綱圖》。公眾在未來兩個月可對發展審批地區草圖的內容提出意見。
政府指出,被富商魯連城施工破壞的臨海土地原是農地,休耕後農地曾經長滿雜草及灌木,但挖土工程展開,雜草與灌木已被鏟除,令該區受到破壞,甚至附近西貢東郊野公園內的部份地方也受到工程牽連。為免天然環境進一步干擾,所以有逼切需要加倍保護自然景觀,而為該區制訂發展審批地區圖,相信有效規管區內發展,並向違例工程執行管制行動。


地署研檢控破壞環境
地政總署表示,正跟律政司研究,是否就《土地(雜項條文)條例》向有關人士提出檢控。早前魯連城買下大浪西灣一幅地皮後,擬興建私人樂園,但被傳媒踢爆後隨即停工,並被揭發工程影響了部份官地。
有份聯署反對工程的環保團體長春社質疑,規劃署沒有將大浪西灣規劃為最嚴格的保育地帶,令發展商仍然有權發展該地段,工程隨時死灰復燃,認為政府最少要將上址的農業用途,指定為有機耕種方式,以減少對附近河道及自然環境進一步損害。
另一聯署團體香港地貌岩石保育協會發言人蔡慕貞表示,今次事件只屬冰山一角,本港仍有很多極具生態價值的自然景觀面臨被財團收購重新發展。漁護署早前表示,現時全港有 54幅位於郊野公園附近的私人土地,並沒有納入發展審批地區,較大發展壓力的地皮位於西貢、大嶼山、吐露港及荃灣雙龍潭附近。
本報曾向魯連城旗下的蒙古能源查詢,至截稿前未獲回覆。

as a respond to "反對在私人地方興建私人物業,看看你們失敗了的滋味是如何?"

quote a classic advertisement phrase : 世事無絕對..只有真情趣

cheers

   By 土包子 on Tuesday, July 27, 2010 - 5:26 pm:  Edit Posted From: 218.252.46.206

喲!特區政府進步了,懂得利用互連綱拆彈;負責在此與我們大自然愛好者「分享」的官員頗有水平,只是官腔難除,可惜。

   By 雲水 on Monday, July 26, 2010 - 8:48 am:  Edit Posted From: 221.126.224.30

昨天,我和太太再從西灣亭走到北潭凹,目的除了想看看大浪西灣的現況外,還支持昨天保護大浪西灣的行動。

有關行山小記以及更多照片請看:
http://www.npc.edu.hk/staff/~ngtungying/noteofhike/SaiWanTing_PakTamAu/SaiWanTing_PakTamAu_014.htm

   By hiker on Sunday, July 25, 2010 - 4:38 pm:  Edit Posted From: 116.48.50.61

西貢白蠟也有問題﹐有無人知到近況怎樣﹖
09年12月影 (可以轉載此照片)
yourpic.jpg

   By 不平人 on Thursday, July 22, 2010 - 12:26 pm:  Edit Posted From: 219.77.77.77

呢條人渣,日頭挖,晚間叫和諧.真撞鬼.人係它鬼又係它.總之一句,有錢大肆破壞香港後花園?

   By saikunger on Thursday, July 22, 2010 - 10:12 am:  Edit Posted From: 114.92.100.212

"由二十人左右大幅增加至上千人"

planning at that time was 30X DING houses (having 30X DINGs registered?) expected population exceed 2k

2003 water supply dept launched project of 100dia water mains n pump house, water tank etc in the area, designed capacity equal to the planned population

   By Sun Dance (Sundance) on Thursday, July 22, 2010 - 6:35 am:  Edit Posted From: 75.161.60.84

An open letter to Mr.魯連城:

Your wise decision to stop the proposed project in 大浪西灣 has gained instant respect from citizens of Hong Kong and around the world. With your wealth, you can buy land virtually anywhere. The tiny piece of land in 大浪西灣 is of little value to you, but it is one of very few places where people in Hong Kong can still enjoy a bit of unspoiled nature. With the publicity it has generated, it is now impossible to carry out the proposed project without seriously damaging your fine reputation.

Why not donate that piece of land to the Hong Kong Government with the stipulation that it be preserved as parkland? In the long run, your gesture will gain a lot of goodwill in Hong Kong, your name and generosity will be forever remembered and spoken with admiration, and you will be setting an admirable example for those who follow your footsteps.

Respectfully,
Sundance
(Please forward to whom it may concern)

   By Nite Hiker on Wednesday, July 21, 2010 - 10:37 pm:  Edit Posted From: 180.219.78.152

Every 10 years


2000年,香港政府發表了《大浪灣分區計劃大綱草圖》(No.S/SK-TLW/1),除將區內不少地區劃入保護區外,更透過丁屋的興建,以發展五個鄉村發展區,使區內人口在十年內,由二十人左右大幅增加至上千人,而西灣亦包括在發展計劃當中,由於發展規模龐大,有危及大浪灣整體歷史古跡及自然環境的可能[6],於是遂有如大浪灣之友等組織成立,並組織起來反對計劃,由於香港民間保育意識日漸提高,再加上生態旅遊亦漸漸興起,反對聲音得到很大迴響,最後城規會於同年十一月會見反對代表後,於2001年決定大幅縮少丁屋規模於原有範圍,渡過了此一危機。

http://zh.wikipedia.org/zh/%E8%A5%BF%E7%81%A3_(%E8%A5%BF%E8%B2%A2)

   By Halla on Wednesday, July 21, 2010 - 10:10 pm:  Edit Posted From: 203.218.199.99

新聞剛剛報導, 魯連城決定停工。
大家的努力卒之成, 值得慶賀。
有出一分力的朋友, 值得大家讚揚。

土包子所說的, 我可不敢苟同。
私產買賣, 政府如何管得了?
若工程沒有違法, 政府如何停得了?
買下它?談何容易。
1千6百萬政府絕對付得起。
但買得這一幅, 那麼隔離那一幅呢? 隔離隔離那一幅呢?
買得起這個灣, 那麼隔離那一個灣呢?
買得起這區, 那麼隔離那區呢?

尊重各人保育的努力, 但不要事無大小都要入政府數。

   By 土包子 on Wednesday, July 21, 2010 - 7:55 pm:  Edit Posted From: 218.252.46.206

一句講晒,大眾利益都栽在曾特首及他那班傭官手上。這班傭官返工只為了出糧,做事永遠後知後覺;代問題出現了才如夢初醒。

我總不相信堂堂一个政府要保留一點儿地方都做不到!為了保育而令到那些土地無法發展對地主們來說是不公道;政府應一早主動出擊,收/買回那些珍貴工地並納入郊野公園版圖。魯先生可以以1600萬買下該塊地,証明不貴,特區地府絕對買得起。

類似事件絕不是第一次發生,我們的政府有吸取經驗嗎?

上街吧,同志們!

   By 佳佳 on Wednesday, July 21, 2010 - 1:28 pm:  Edit Posted From: 118.143.25.81

反對在私人地方興建私人物業,看看你們失敗了的滋味是如何?

   By 憤怒人 on Tuesday, July 20, 2010 - 9:21 pm:  Edit Posted From: 61.93.171.242

用少少銅臭買起這大片樂土﹐他故然偷笑﹐但他瓜分了香港幾百萬人的資產﹐傷害了幾百萬港人的情感﹐魯連城及他們一伙的都可恥﹐假以時日這些都變成俗臭居。港人後花園成為這些可恥人的後花園了!

   By Martin Ng (Minghong) on Tuesday, July 20, 2010 - 12:24 pm:  Edit Posted From: 210.17.171.129

I believe what BLS said is more or less the truth. But still we can't lose hope.

   By 土包子 on Monday, July 19, 2010 - 7:46 pm:  Edit Posted From: 218.252.46.206

>>>We can only resort to public pressure to minimize the scale and level of development, and impact on environment.<<<


I don't think so. The peice of land is so precious to hong kong that you know it, I know it and everyone knows it. One can buy it but why not the government?

   By BLS (Bls) on Monday, July 19, 2010 - 7:38 pm:  Edit Posted From: 203.174.33.68

But the land concerned belongs to Block Government Lease and is not situated within the Parkland Zone. It can be used for Agricultural and Garden Ground purposes. In 1983 Melhado Case, It was held that the meaning of the term, Agricultural and Garden Ground, is not restricted to conventional farming, poulty and fishing activities, but broadly construed to include those activities which involve only temporary building structures such as garage, containers park, temporary storage and warehouse, golf course, removeable shelters, 骨灰龕場,....etc. Undertaking the aforesaid activities on these lands do not constitute change of land use. The developer is not required to submit any of the Environmental Impact Assessment, Traffic Impact Assessment, Landscape Impact Assessment, Visual Impact Assessment...... ....., etc. to any authorities in support of his development plan and also need not seek the approval of Town Planning Board.
We can only resort to public pressure to minimize the scale and level of development, and impact on environment.
We may also complain to the Building Department once an un-authorized permanent structure is erected on the site.

   By BLS (Bls) on Monday, July 19, 2010 - 4:16 pm:  Edit Posted From: 203.174.33.68

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=119731658073048

   By 土包子 on Sunday, July 18, 2010 - 11:59 am:  Edit Posted From: 218.252.46.206

Hi nature lovers,

It's time for us to do something.

   By Sun Dance (Sundance) on Sunday, July 18, 2010 - 7:47 am:  Edit Posted From: 71.222.244.140

BLS, excellent point. >這個呎價的地皮很明顯是農業用途, 城規會還未批准改為住宅或商業康樂(domestic or commercial)用途<

Citizens of HK, this is the time to not only voice your concerns but also for action. Has the developer carried out any Environmental Impact Assessment that would allow this major project near protected parkland in accordance to Environmental Impact Assessment Ordinance (EIAO 1997)? One or more of these organizations may be able to help:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friends_of_the_Earth_(HK)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Power
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Conservancy_Association

   By BLS (Bls) on Saturday, July 17, 2010 - 10:57 pm:  Edit Posted From: 218.102.214.226

剛在網上看到一些有關的資料, 該發展商以約1,600萬元買入10萬平方英呎的土地, 即平均地價約160元/平方英呎, 樓面地價若以0.4倍計也只是約400元/平方英呎. 和現時郊區豪宅動輒萬多元一呎比較, 這個呎價的地皮很明顯是農業用途, 城規會還未批准改為住宅或商業康樂(domestic or commercial)用途了.
發展商若按現有地契的農業用途限制入則, 重建的建築物不應有豪華住宅/商業康樂設施. 現傳聞將會興建別墅, 網球場, 人工湖....! 發展商博懵, 抑或屋宇署批則不小心!
西灣的農地呎價其實比各大發展商現正收購的新界其他地區農地平均呎價平宜, 因大家都有共識, 香港小量僅有的公共郊野公園包括西灣這邊, 城規會十年廿年內也不會放寬限制, 一般發展商不會犯難呆等, 難道該發展商真有通天本領, 能人所不能.

   By 土包子 on Saturday, July 17, 2010 - 12:55 pm:  Edit Posted From: 218.252.46.206

政府能做些什么去阻止嗎?政府是否知道這是香港碩果僅存的天然美景嗎?為何沒有政策保護?

   By 史諾比 on Saturday, July 17, 2010 - 12:02 pm:  Edit Posted From: 218.191.46.94

此例一開,後患無窮。

   By 西貢後花園 on Saturday, July 17, 2010 - 12:03 am:  Edit Posted From: 220.246.206.136

http://www.hiking.com.hk/discus/messages/53/63149.html?1279292138

   By Martin Ng (Minghong) on Friday, July 16, 2010 - 10:56 pm:  Edit Posted From: 203.218.205.242

It was a pristine picture at Sai Wan, but not any more

It was pristine at Sai Wan, but not any more

Diggers move in as businessman develops 'private lodge'

Behind a white-sand beach on Hong Kong's most pristine stretch of coastline, surrounded by spectacular hills, diggers have stripped an area bare in the latest example of construction on private land on the fringe of a country park.

The land at Sai Wan, one of four beaches fronting the clear water of Tai Long Wan in a remote part of Sai Kung, is being developed into what owner Simon Lo Lin-shing says will be an organic garden but what local villagers say will be a private lodge with artificial ponds, a tennis court and separate apartment.

Lo paid more than HK$16 million to the owners of an abandoned village to acquire the remote site, estimated at 10,000 square metres, that is surrounded by, but is not part of, the Sai Kung East Country Park. It is accessible only on foot or by boat.

The businessman, who controls two listed companies with a combined market value of more than HK$17 billion, last year bought up almost every plot in the village through his private investment arm, Vision Investments, jointly owned with his wife, Rouisa Ku Ming-mei.

The chairman of Mongolia Energy Corporation and Vision Values Holdings, Lo was so determined to acquire the site that he approached members of the local Lai clan who had emigrated to Britain.

Construction started early last month and the site has undergone large-scale excavation, including the removal of surface vegetation and diversion of streams running down from the surrounding hills.

As the work site is not covered by any statutory zoning, the development is not subject to planning controls. There is also no need to carry out any environmental impact assessments.

The only violation so far identified is that some of the excavated sites fall on government land.

A spokeswoman for Vision Investments said the site would become a landscaped garden and organic farm for Lo's private enjoyment and she believed it complied with government rules.

"The project is solely private and has nothing to do with his business. There won't be any large-scale works such as housing developments there," she said.

She denied the site would be used to house a columbarium, as is suspected in the case of other developments in country parks.

The spokeswoman said Lo had been approached by a middleman acting as an agent for the sale and she had no idea why he was interested in the site.

"Perhaps it is because it is large and quiet. After all, he is a very green person and loves organic farming. But of course, he cannot do the daily irrigation and ploughing work and he might hire someone else to do it for him," she said.

The land, which was settled by the Lai clan during the Ming dynasty 600 years ago, was largely abandoned in the 1960s and remaining clan members made a living providing catering or camping services to hikers and tourists at the southern end of the village.

Village head Lai Yan, who pocketed more than HK$1 million from selling his ancestral properties, said the project would help beautify the site and enhance the village's attraction to tourists. He also said the work had been done carefully to minimise the impact on the environment.

"The old village site has been abandoned for a long time and no one takes care of it. Now is a good chance to improve the environment and make the site look nicer," he said.

Other villagers said Lo was building a private lodge and garden comprising two artificial freshwater ponds, a tennis court and a separate apartment to be converted from dilapidated single-storey village houses.

Lo, an entrepreneur known for his past role as a close aide of New World Development chairman Cheng Yu-tung, acquired 18 per cent of the listed New World Cyberbase in 2001 through one of his privately owned companies for HK$49 million and renamed it Mongolia Energy Corporation in 2007.

The energy firm's market capitalisation soared after it announced its acquisition of overseas mining rights, and its share price rose from 10 cents in 2001 to a peak of over HK$17 in 2008. The stock closed at HK$2.74 yesterday.

Lo also acquired the listed New World Mobile Holdings in 2007 and later renamed it Vision Values Holdings.

Lo was formerly a director of a now-defunct private environmental technology company, along with fung shui master Tony Chan Chun-chuen who lost a legal battle for the estate of late Chinachem chairwoman Nina Wang Kung Yu-sum.

Aerial photographs show the site has been transformed in the past month, with greenery vanishing as the work site expands.

During a visit by South China Morning Post reporters on Tuesday, two of three diggers were working to excavate dark grey mud but it was not clear how the machines got to the area, which has no access road.

A villager working at the site said the Agriculture, Fisheries and Conservation Department had given approval for the machines to be brought in by sea and across the protected beach, but the department said it had not given permission.

The villager also said trees such as Buddhist pines and palms would be transplanted to the site to beautify the garden.

There were no signs of pollution but dozens of metal drums that could have contained fuel or chemicals were lying around the work site.

A stream that used to run through the village has disappeared.

A spokeswoman for the agricultural department said it received a complaint about the project early last month. While there was no infringement on the country park, some adjoining government land and a stream course were affected.

The Lands Department said it posted signs yesterday warning the developer against illegal excavation on government land.

A spokeswoman said the site should be used only for agriculture and no application for a change of land use or redevelopment of the old village houses had been received.

WWF Hong Kong conservation manager Alan Leung Sze-lun said the work highlighted the short-sightedness of the government in not preserving the city's most valuable natural heritage and landscape with proper land use zonings.

"While the land is privately owned, the visual value and natural setting of the site belongs to society," he said.

The Environmental Protection Department said it found no violation of pollution control rules but would keep a close eye on the site.

In 2000, a proposed zoning plan for the Tai Long Wan beach - north of Sai Wan - triggered strong opposition over fears of excessive village house development. The plan was revised to conserve most of the area and greatly reduce the area for houses.

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